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Subject: [IP] more on what your children learn in school

  • From: Dave Farber <dave@farber.net>
  • To: ip@v2.listbox.com
  • Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:16:34 -0400

>Delivered-To: dfarber+@ux13.sp.cs.cmu.edu
>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:31:43 -0400
>From: Bob Frankston <Bob2-19@bobf.frankston.com>
>Subject: RE: [IP] more on what your children learn in school
>To: dave@farber.net, ip@v2.listbox.com
>
>
>While it is hard to give a complex message in elementary school this
>particular one is offensive and dangerous. Once we make this a moral issue
>there is no room for nor even the concept of a discussion of the issues.
>
>It's part of the Santa Claus tradition that assumes we can easily
>distinguish good from evil and outlaw evil. We can create the .XXX domain
>for evil and the .KIDs domain for good. We can ban phone calls from bad
>people (the do-not-call list) and ban mail from spammers (bad people). No
>need for nuance or ambiguity.
>
>We can even allow free speech as long as nothing says anything wrong.
>
>This is the problem with consolidation of media -- the messages reinforce
>their audience's prejudice.
>
>There is indeed a contradiction -- limiting media concentration is a form of
>censorship and I look forward to the end of the control over the channels
>that is associated with the telecommunications model that presumes the
>transport and contents are tied together.
>
>Once we get past that then we will have to address the question of whether
>people actually want to see ideas that challenge them -- just because
>they're available doesn't mean they will be heard. But it's a risk we'll
>have to take.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ip@v2.listbox.com [mailto:owner-ip@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of
>Dave Farber
>Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 14:44
>To: ip@v2.listbox.com
>Subject: [IP] more on what your children learn in school
>
>Just what came to my mind
>
>
> >Delivered-To: dfarber+@ux13.sp.cs.cmu.edu
> >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:58:23 -0700
> >From: Bob Hinden <hinden@iprg.nokia.com>
> >Subject: Re: [IP] what your children learn in school
> >X-Sender: hinden@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com
> >To: "Janos G." <janos451@earthlink.net>
> >Cc: dave@farber.net, hinden@iprg.nokia.com
> >
> >
> >Janos,
> >
> >I suspect this will have the opposite effect as intended.  It will teach
> >the kids that stealing music and films is cool.  If the big media
> >companies say it is bad, then it must be....
> >
> >These kind of messages haven't exactly stopped kids drinking alcohol,
> >taking drugs, sex, etc.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >At 01:10 AM 9/26/2003, Dave Farber wrote:
> >
> >>Delivered-To: dfarber+@ux13.sp.cs.cmu.edu
> >>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:51:41 -0700
> >>From:
> >>Subject: "Interesting!"
> >>To: Farber-IP <dave@farber.net>
> >>
> >>[what your children learn in school]
> >>
> >>Studios Moving to Block Piracy of Films Online
> >>
> >>By LAURA M. HOLSON The New York Times
> >>9/25/03
> >>.... fourth paragraph
> >>
> >>Also, as early as next month the industry will begin promoting a "stealing
> >>is bad" message in schools, teaming up with Junior Achievement on an
> >>hourlong class for fifth through ninth graders on the history of copyright
> >>law and the evils of online file sharing. The effort includes games like
> >>Starving Artist, in which students pretend to be musicians whose work is
> >>downloaded free from the Internet, and a crossword puzzle called Surfing
> >>for Trouble.
> >>
> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>Janos Gereben/SF
> >>www.sfcv.org
> >>janos451@earthlink.net
> >>
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