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Subject: [IP] More on - Can the Internet Survive? NOTE ONLY EXEC SUMMARY IS FREE

  • From: David Farber <dave@farber.net>
  • To: Ip <ip@v2.listbox.com>
  • Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:21:27 -0400



Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Frankston <Bob2-0406@bobf.frankston.com>
Date: September 13, 2004 11:45:48 PM EDT
To: dave@farber.net, 'Ip' <ip@v2.listbox.com>
Cc: &quot;David P. Reed&quot; <dpreed@reed.com>, Ian Peter 
<ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
Subject: RE: [IP] More on - Can the Internet Survive? NOTE ONLY EXEC 
SUMMARY IS FREE

I appreciate Peter's efforts but find myself in disagreement.

This appears to be part of what I call the &quot;crypto-bellhead&quot; trend. It 
is a
call for the Internet (as if it were Internet Inc) to do more and more 
--
far more than the old networks ever dared. Not just provide reliable
circuits but security, authentication, meaning and to prioritize traffic
according to some measure of &quot;goodness&quot; or importance.

As I've written on this list many times, we must recognize there is no
Internet Inc and that all the attempts to do good only create 
impediments to
connectivity. The Internet is no longer end to end.

I don't want to repeat my old comments but I see the key problem as
burdening the IP address with two incompatible roles -- naming (or
addressing) and routing. This doesn't scale. The address becomes 
volatile
and thus we create the DNS as a (failed) patch. The routing structure
becomes burdened with tracking every LAN and we must create ICANN to 
limit
the routes and impose social policies on the DNS.

The good news is that P2P efforts are End-to-End despite, not because 
of,
the Internet. Skype is a great example.

My current goal is to make it easy to create end-to-end applications 
that
use the current Internet as an optional route and not a layer. After 
all, a
dependency on an Internet layer would violate the end-to-end principle 
and
thus a smarter Internet is a contradiction in terms.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ip@v2.listbox.com [mailto:owner-ip@v2.listbox.com] On 
Behalf Of
David Farber
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 19:39
To: Ip
Subject: [IP] More on - Can the Internet Survive? NOTE ONLY EXEC 
SUMMARY IS
FREE



Begin forwarded message:

From: Ian Peter <ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
Date: September 13, 2004 5:48:54 PM EDT
To: dave@farber.net
Subject: More on - Can the Internet Survive?

Hi Dave

Some of your readers might like to check this out at
http://www.internetmark2.org/study/About.html

The Internet Analysis Report 2004 - Protocols and Governance -
contains an in-depth analysis of issues facing Internet users,
emerging issues with Internet protocols, governance bodies and
governance issues, and conclusions and recommendations.

The executive summary is available for free download from the
site. Its conclusions will be of interest to people involved in
Internet governance issues, and everyone concerned with the
capacity of core Internet protocols and systems to scale to the
future.

Happy reading!


Ian Peter

Ian Peter
Senior Partner
Ian Peter and Associates Pty Ltd
P.O. Box 10670 Adelaide St
Brisbane 4000 Australia
Tel (617) 3870 1181
Mobile (614) 1966 7772
www.ianpeter.com
www.internetmark2.org




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