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Subject: [IP] more on Editors comment on the number of items re ex-ex-ex

  • From: David Farber <>
  • To: Ip ip <>
  • Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:03:53 -0400

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From: Bob Frankston <>
Date: June 3, 2005 12:37:46 PM EDT
To:, 'Ip ip' <>
Cc: &quot;David P. Reed&quot; <>, 'Lauren Weinstein' <>
Subject: RE: [IP] Editors comment on the number of items re ex-ex-ex

I sent an earlier sarcastic response but realize that people want their XXX
be it in the name of a movie, liquor or prurience. I may see the idea as
silly but it is serious.

This is deeper than the US first amendment -- it is a fundamental attack on
the Internet's End-to-End principle and exacerbates the flaw in the DNS
which puts meaning into the deepest levels of the Internet rather than
defining it at the edge.

That's why a simple typo can get you to the wrong site -- trademark rules
address such confusion but the DNS does not and cannot. If the DNS didn't
have any semantics then we would use other mechanisms that could take into
account social and human realities in translating intent into a handle.

At this point I realize it's too little and too late and that the P2P
community is right in creating their own solutions at the edge.

The XXX is an inevitable result of providing entr&#xE9;e for governance and
social policies and you're fighting against people's perception that meaning
is intrinsic. It's no different than the FCC sparing us fuck and thus
creating a whole industry of faux outtakes -- as much as I deride them
Tellywood is very adaptive and now creates scenes whose only purpose is to
be censored so as to create a market for the &quot;real&quot; unrated version.

Once you have created an artificial scarcity you can then charge for it --
be it diamonds, communications channels or valuable words. You even have
multiple companies selling names for stars (astronomical -- but the word is
probably more associated with Tellywood). XXX is just a commodity that can
be sold at a high price. Yes, it will do damage and like 900 numbers and
X-rated movies it will have unintended consequences.

The problem, however, is not with XXX, but is inherent in the flaws in the
Internet make the IP address function as a name and a path. It creates a
need for stable handles and their management and thus the opportunity for
ICANN to compound the error of using semantic-laden handles for TLDs and
SLDS. XXX is an inevitable and unavoidable result.

Given XXX you might as well entertain yourself thinking about scenarios such
as French vs Alabama laws as applied to XXX. Depressing, of course but wry
amusement may have to be the salvage value.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
David Farber
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:21
To: Ip ip
Subject: [IP] Editors comment on the number of items re ex-ex-ex

I believe this is a very important issue in both network &quot;governance&quot;
and maybe in (in the USA) the 1 st. amendment.  I am concerned about
the morfing of the xxx into a place where birth control , drug
discussions,  will be required to live in.

I am trying to conver all sides.


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